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Social Work Breaks Barriers

March 29, 2023
  • 00:00Good afternoon everyone and
  • 00:02welcome to Grand Rapids.
  • 00:03Now before we get started today,
  • 00:05I'm just a couple of announcements
  • 00:07and a reminder that next week
  • 00:08we won't have grand rounds,
  • 00:10so grand Rounds is cancelled next week.
  • 00:12Perhaps you could take some time during
  • 00:13that hour to think about speakers
  • 00:15that you would love to invite here and
  • 00:16reach out to the grounds committee
  • 00:18and with any of your suggestions.
  • 00:20So please be on the lookout
  • 00:22from an e-mail from Krista and
  • 00:24we are accepting nominations,
  • 00:25self nominations or nominations
  • 00:27of others and to join our Grand
  • 00:29Rounds Committee for next year.
  • 00:31And so please be on the lookout for
  • 00:33that e-mail and get those suggestions
  • 00:35to the Grand Rounds Committee.
  • 00:37And the last announcement is just
  • 00:39to mention that we'll have Doctor
  • 00:41Stephen Vine from the University
  • 00:42of Illinois at Chicago and coming
  • 00:45to join us on April 12th.
  • 00:48I think it is.
  • 00:50But in two weeks time and who will be talking
  • 00:53about his case study on Allen Ginsberg.
  • 00:55So it's one of these talks where
  • 00:56we'll be embracing the humanities
  • 00:58at the Grand Ryan's the 11th,
  • 01:02April 11th.
  • 01:02Thank you, doctor Cardona.
  • 01:05And so please join us for that.
  • 01:07And if any of you would
  • 01:08like to meet the speaker,
  • 01:09please reach
  • 01:10out to Rose Marie or any
  • 01:11member of the Grand Rounds
  • 01:12Committee and we can set that up.
  • 01:14So that's enough from from me
  • 01:15to for today, I'd like to pass
  • 01:17you over to our host for
  • 01:18the day, my Grandparents
  • 01:19Committee colleague Tara Davila.
  • 01:25Good morning, everyone.
  • 01:26Afternoon. Actually,
  • 01:27I'm still a little behind,
  • 01:28not enough coffee this morning.
  • 01:30I know it's making me sleepy,
  • 01:32but thank you so much for joining us
  • 01:35today and happy social work month.
  • 01:37And so for today, I'm going to use,
  • 01:40I don't know if this is how to pronounce it,
  • 01:42but the sort of Petra Kucha
  • 01:45informed style of presentation.
  • 01:47So it's a style developed in Tokyo
  • 01:49where you do 20 slides with images.
  • 01:52And 20 seconds of commentary.
  • 01:54So this is mostly that where I got a little
  • 01:56shorter in some of the other places,
  • 01:58but this was one of the ideas
  • 02:00when we were moving forward,
  • 02:01so I thought I'd give it a try myself.
  • 02:04So we'll see how it goes.
  • 02:07So as we wrap up social work months
  • 02:10together with the social work Fellowship,
  • 02:12thank you.
  • 02:13One way that we wanted to break barriers,
  • 02:15because the theme is social
  • 02:17work breaks barriers today,
  • 02:18is by shining the light on
  • 02:20contributions of faculty and staff
  • 02:22of different disciplines whose
  • 02:23terminal degree is a masters degree.
  • 02:26This is not to take away from
  • 02:27the work done by others,
  • 02:28but rather to broaden the
  • 02:30perspectives about the contributions
  • 02:31of faculty and staff with masters
  • 02:34degrees across our educational,
  • 02:35clinical and research missions.
  • 02:37And across the various settings
  • 02:40of the Child Study Center.
  • 02:43Our Masters,
  • 02:44faculty and staff create and
  • 02:46disseminate interventions,
  • 02:47develop programs,
  • 02:48engage in research,
  • 02:50teach and train the next generation
  • 02:52of practitioners,
  • 02:53and help youth and families
  • 02:54through complicated clinical
  • 02:56challenges via assessment,
  • 02:57research,
  • 02:58psychopharmacology and psychotherapy.
  • 03:01In 2022,
  • 03:03social workers like professional counselors,
  • 03:07marriage and family therapists
  • 03:10and APRN scheduled 69% of the
  • 03:13appointments for the practice.
  • 03:14So that's like
  • 03:1737,453 appointments. So they are very busy.
  • 03:24And Masters, faculty and staff are
  • 03:27supervisors, preceptors, authors,
  • 03:29directors, associate directors,
  • 03:31and I'm proud to be among the two who
  • 03:33serve the department also as vice chairs.
  • 03:36And so despite these
  • 03:37contributions and opportunities,
  • 03:39we also face challenges.
  • 03:40And the root of many of these challenges are
  • 03:43the systemic barriers within our institution.
  • 03:47Until recently,
  • 03:47faculty and staff with Masters degrees
  • 03:50were underpaid within the institution
  • 03:51and among our peers outside of Yale.
  • 03:54And it took a tremendous amount of
  • 03:57advocacy over many years to correct that.
  • 04:00Additionally,
  • 04:00the school has only provided
  • 04:03continuing medical education credits,
  • 04:04many of which are not recognized by
  • 04:07the licensing boards of some of our
  • 04:09faculty and staff with Masters degrees.
  • 04:11And this caused a burden for us
  • 04:13to go elsewhere and and pay out
  • 04:15of pocket for continuing education
  • 04:16when many of our colleagues could
  • 04:18just get that by coming to work.
  • 04:21This is the first year that we were able to
  • 04:23offer continuing education units arrived,
  • 04:25excuse me,
  • 04:26approved by the National
  • 04:27Association of Social Workers,
  • 04:29which meets the licensing
  • 04:31renewal criteria for all.
  • 04:33Other structural barriers include not having
  • 04:36a defined or valued track within the school.
  • 04:40So you only have to look at the OPD website
  • 04:43to get a sense of how we're regarded.
  • 04:46This is one example of how the institution
  • 04:48communicates that our contributions
  • 04:50are not understood or valued.
  • 04:52It also doesn't recognize
  • 04:53other masters disciplines,
  • 04:55making our colleagues feel
  • 04:56invisible and unsupported.
  • 05:00Until recently, this academic progression
  • 05:02was limited to social work and didn't
  • 05:04acknowledge the contributions of other
  • 05:06faculty and staff with masters degrees.
  • 05:08Thankfully, equity minded faculty
  • 05:10were able to advocate to change this.
  • 05:13However, we are capped at assistant
  • 05:15professor with the bar for what we need to
  • 05:18establish to attract constantly moving.
  • 05:24When the institution as a whole
  • 05:26doesn't recognize our contributions,
  • 05:28there's impact.
  • 05:29Others within the institution have
  • 05:31followed their lead and further
  • 05:33marginalized us as a supervisor.
  • 05:35I've heard countless stories of colleagues
  • 05:38whose terminal degrees are doctorates,
  • 05:40not collaborating and making decisions
  • 05:42for a case in which the treating clinician
  • 05:45has a masters without consultation.
  • 05:48Whether intentional or not,
  • 05:49these actions convey that the clinician
  • 05:51is not as important to the treatment
  • 05:53of the individual and that the person
  • 05:55making the decision knows best.
  • 05:57I, who've always been a member of the
  • 05:59clinic leadership and who came here with
  • 06:01over a decade of clinical experience,
  • 06:02can share countless stories of disrespect
  • 06:05and disregard from fellows and faculty.
  • 06:08And I can also tell the story of
  • 06:10being supported and respected,
  • 06:12which is why I'm able to support our
  • 06:14community in the ways that I do today.
  • 06:16Today you'll hear from a tiny sampling of
  • 06:19our faculty and staff with masters degrees,
  • 06:21and also from one in pursuit
  • 06:24of their Masters degree.
  • 06:28There's no way to tell you about all of
  • 06:30the contributions made across our missions
  • 06:32by faculty and staff whose terminal
  • 06:34degree is a Masters degree in an hour.
  • 06:37So I've shared how busy this group
  • 06:39is with how many appointments
  • 06:41they're scheduling, more than half.
  • 06:43And I'd like to express my gratitude,
  • 06:46my sincere gratitude and admiration
  • 06:48to those on our panel today who were
  • 06:50able to arrange their schedules to
  • 06:52share their experiences with you,
  • 06:53and for those who could not.
  • 06:55We see you and we appreciate you.
  • 06:59Before we hear from our colleagues
  • 07:02about their experiences,
  • 07:03I want to acknowledge that our
  • 07:05community has embraced many different
  • 07:06kinds of grand rounds presentations,
  • 07:08from the very academic to the very
  • 07:11heartfelt and all in between.
  • 07:13When our community members choose
  • 07:15to share their experiences,
  • 07:16there's a level of courage and
  • 07:19vulnerability that presenters embrace.
  • 07:21To support them and to anchor in
  • 07:23the spirit of this presentation,
  • 07:25I ask that you please hold that in mind.
  • 07:27They are experts on their own experiences
  • 07:29and would be happy to answer questions
  • 07:31that are anchored and understanding
  • 07:32more about what they have shared.
  • 07:36So looking ahead, we will hear from
  • 07:38different programs and in home and
  • 07:40outpatient and from clinicians,
  • 07:41learners and model developers about
  • 07:44their experiences as faculty and
  • 07:46staff with master's degrees through
  • 07:48their work at the Child Study Center.
  • 07:50We'll have Mackenzie Fay and Bridget Torres.
  • 07:53Both are clinicians and Bridget is also
  • 07:55a team supervisor and there shall share
  • 07:58about their experiences in the ICAPS program.
  • 08:01We'll also hear from Amy Myers who
  • 08:03is a consultant for family based
  • 08:05recovery model, Excuse Me,
  • 08:07Recovery model development and operations.
  • 08:09Her colleague Karen Hansen, who is
  • 08:12director of of FBR Model and development.
  • 08:15I can never say that right model
  • 08:17development and operations, pardon me.
  • 08:21Had an unexpected situation arise
  • 08:22today and she couldn't join us.
  • 08:24But Amy will present for both.
  • 08:27And then finally we'll hear from
  • 08:29Darrell Snow and Heather Howell
  • 08:31sharing their work in the parent
  • 08:33and Family Development program.
  • 08:35And so Heather is a clinician who's
  • 08:37been with us and does all the
  • 08:39intakes for the program and Darrell
  • 08:41is a clinician and intern.
  • 08:43So thank you for your time and attention.
  • 08:45Thank you for joining us today.
  • 08:47Thank you for supporting everyone
  • 08:49in our community.
  • 08:50And without further ado,
  • 08:52we will start with Bridgette and Mackenzie.
  • 09:05Aye. Please correct me if
  • 09:08I'm using the microphone
  • 09:09incorrectly or you can't hear me.
  • 09:11This is my first time using a
  • 09:12microphone in my adult life,
  • 09:14so we're going to try.
  • 09:17My name is Bridget Torres.
  • 09:18I'm an icaps clinician
  • 09:20and clinical supervisor.
  • 09:22And I have been working within
  • 09:24the ICAPS program and at the Yale
  • 09:27Child Study Center for eight years.
  • 09:29And I'm also going to pass over to Mackenzie.
  • 09:31We're kind of going to do a like back
  • 09:32and forth and share our individual
  • 09:34experiences and then talk a little bit
  • 09:35about the program as a whole. And yes,
  • 09:39I'm Mackenzie Fay. I'm an LPC
  • 09:41licensed professional counselor.
  • 09:42And I've been, I was here for about a
  • 09:46year and a half and then I left for a
  • 09:47little while and came back. So, so yeah.
  • 09:52Yeah, so. I can tell you guys
  • 09:57a little bit more about icaps.
  • 09:59Icaps which stands for intensive in home,
  • 10:01childhood and adolescent
  • 10:04psychiatric services.
  • 10:05Is a program which serves youth
  • 10:08from the age of 4 to 18 that are
  • 10:12experiencing any number of psychiatric
  • 10:15difficulties as well as family stressors.
  • 10:18We see kids that have histories of trauma,
  • 10:21and generally our kids come
  • 10:24to us from outpatient clinics,
  • 10:27they come to us from the hospital,
  • 10:30from IOP, just from many different places,
  • 10:34and we work with the families.
  • 10:35For a total of six months.
  • 10:37We work in teams of two and we
  • 10:40provide individual therapy, parent,
  • 10:43parent sessions as well as family therapy
  • 10:47every week and as well as supporting
  • 10:51the families in multiple domains.
  • 10:54So we work with them in the community.
  • 10:55We also work with
  • 10:56schools. We're kind of everywhere that
  • 10:59the child doesn't, that the family is.
  • 11:02I think it's a very special program
  • 11:04and it has provided a lot of
  • 11:06unique opportunities for learning
  • 11:08over the last couple of years.
  • 11:12I will talk a little bit more now about
  • 11:15what led me to clinical work in general
  • 11:17and then I'll pass over to McKenzie, so.
  • 11:20I when I was. A kid, like many kids.
  • 11:25There were like 3 professions.
  • 11:27You could be. I wanted to be a vet.
  • 11:29That was my calling.
  • 11:31I thought I was going to take care
  • 11:32of animals and realized when I was
  • 11:35fourteen that that involved youthanasia.
  • 11:37And I was like, I don't want to do that.
  • 11:40I can help people.
  • 11:42So I thought about going into therapy
  • 11:45in high school, going into therapy
  • 11:47as a clinician in high school.
  • 11:49I should say.
  • 11:50What kind of spurred my decision
  • 11:52further was that. I had um.
  • 11:55A lot of family experiences
  • 11:59with mental health.
  • 12:00My dad for most of my childhood
  • 12:03had undiagnosed bipolar disorder,
  • 12:04which became diagnosed bipolar disorder.
  • 12:07And when that happened,
  • 12:08we started to interact more
  • 12:10with different therapists.
  • 12:12Psychiatrists did family therapy.
  • 12:16And there was all of the stressors
  • 12:18that come with that and that
  • 12:20being part of your family system.
  • 12:22And then I also have had several
  • 12:24close experiences with people
  • 12:26that have completed suicide.
  • 12:28And so all of these things kind of
  • 12:31happened at a pretty formative time
  • 12:33for me and led me into social work
  • 12:37and therapy as a whole when I was in.
  • 12:41Undergrad I majored in psychology and
  • 12:43child and adolescent mental health,
  • 12:46so I've been in this world for
  • 12:48since I was basically a child.
  • 12:51My brain was definitely not fully developed,
  • 12:54but I had the opportunity to work
  • 12:56with kids with selective mutism,
  • 12:57and I had the opportunity to work in.
  • 13:01School settings.
  • 13:02And I saw the impact that social
  • 13:04workers had with the kids that
  • 13:07were in those settings,
  • 13:08particularly when I was in a
  • 13:09school setting where that was kind
  • 13:11of one of the only mental health
  • 13:12professionals that they had access to.
  • 13:16As I was completing my BA, I thought,
  • 13:18OK, what do I want to do next?
  • 13:19Do I want to try to pursue a PhD in
  • 13:22psychology or do I want to go to social work?
  • 13:25And the combination of kind of seeing
  • 13:27what social workers have been able to do,
  • 13:29as well as knowing that I
  • 13:33didn't really have the money
  • 13:34to be in school for another 5 to 7 years
  • 13:37meant that I pursued social work and
  • 13:40had the opportunity in my graduate
  • 13:42training to work further in a school.
  • 13:44And I also had the chance to work at an.
  • 13:47Intensive outpatient program for youths with.
  • 13:52OCD. And their families.
  • 13:54And I saw the ways that parents
  • 13:58impacted their children.
  • 14:00Kind of from the other side,
  • 14:02as the therapist and when I
  • 14:04applied as I was graduating from
  • 14:07my Masters program moved on to.
  • 14:11Apply for the advanced clinical Social
  • 14:13Work fellowship here and was offered that,
  • 14:15and I was recruited into the icaps track.
  • 14:19So I always say that Icaps chose me,
  • 14:22and then I learned that I loved it.
  • 14:25Umm, and
  • 14:26that is how we got there.
  • 14:27I'm going to pass to my camp.
  • 14:29Thank you. Yeah I kind of similar
  • 14:33I think although when I'm thinking
  • 14:35about how I got here I I do think
  • 14:37the first time I realized I wanted
  • 14:38to be a therapist as an adolescent.
  • 14:40I think I was like counseling a
  • 14:42random peer on their family issues.
  • 14:44So it it it was always going to be
  • 14:46family stuff but I don't think I
  • 14:47realized that until later because
  • 14:49I don't know people know that.
  • 14:50I mean icaps
  • 14:50has from a clinic
  • 14:53a clinician standpoint it's something
  • 14:55it's intensive work you don't
  • 14:57need a licensure to to do it and
  • 14:59so there is kind of a reputation.
  • 15:01By caps as a clinician that you know
  • 15:04you can do it right out of your your
  • 15:07masters and also but it's intense and
  • 15:09it's a lot and so I'd never I can't
  • 15:11say that I had this kind of identified
  • 15:14as something I wanted to do but over
  • 15:16time you know I think I thought I
  • 15:18would go into into private practice
  • 15:20more so but with my experiences
  • 15:24with my own kind of family dynamics
  • 15:28and slowly getting to see over
  • 15:30time that. You know,
  • 15:32issues that people struggle with,
  • 15:34there's always in relation to to somebody
  • 15:37else and often like who's closest to you,
  • 15:40which might be your family.
  • 15:42I started to see that more
  • 15:43significance of that.
  • 15:44And so I I started icaps through
  • 15:48another agency in Bridgeport.
  • 15:51And eventually moved to Yale which
  • 15:54is the the place that the model was
  • 15:56developed in a very different experience.
  • 15:59And then I actually left for a
  • 16:01little while and did some private
  • 16:02practice stuff and came back.
  • 16:03And because there's there's
  • 16:04getting into our experience,
  • 16:05I mean there's there's nothing like
  • 16:07the the way that icaps is and and
  • 16:10the dynamics like we are. You know,
  • 16:13there there's just so many different.
  • 16:14Our, our days are just totally,
  • 16:16you know, in the car driving,
  • 16:18maybe driving a parent somewhere,
  • 16:20maybe helping, you know,
  • 16:21going to school for a PT.
  • 16:22I mean,
  • 16:23it's just very exciting and it is intense.
  • 16:26And we really get to be a part
  • 16:29of the family's lives.
  • 16:31We're in their homes,
  • 16:32we're meeting people in their lives
  • 16:34who are coming through their homes.
  • 16:37It's a really,
  • 16:38it's a really great experience.
  • 16:42I don't know if you want to talk
  • 16:42more about your experience.
  • 16:45So my experience with icaps, like
  • 16:48I said, I started as a fellow
  • 16:50working with. Former fellows and. I was.
  • 16:58It's like so hard to put into words.
  • 17:00I think all of the different ways that
  • 17:02this work is engaging and exciting and.
  • 17:06I remember I always think of this
  • 17:09as like an example of an icaps case
  • 17:11because it was like my first icaps case,
  • 17:13which was a family who had had eye caps.
  • 17:17They had struggled,
  • 17:18they came back and we had the
  • 17:20opportunity to work with them again.
  • 17:22And we engage this family in
  • 17:25every way that you could imagine.
  • 17:29We took this mom to her housing appointments.
  • 17:33We took the kids.
  • 17:34We would pick the kids up from
  • 17:35school and go to sessions.
  • 17:37We had an entire day where
  • 17:39the family had this family.
  • 17:42For part of the period that we were open.
  • 17:45Had insecure housing and they.
  • 17:50Found a new place to live and we
  • 17:52moved their stuff in our cars,
  • 17:54in bags and we spent the whole day
  • 17:57with them and we helped them build
  • 18:00furniture for their new place and we
  • 18:02did all of these things with them
  • 18:04while we were also doing therapy.
  • 18:06We were engaging this parent in a way that.
  • 18:10She could connect with us because
  • 18:13we were literally meeting her,
  • 18:14like where she was at on the floor,
  • 18:17making the furniture, talking about.
  • 18:20Her life and how she got to where she was
  • 18:23and I I think it was in those moments
  • 18:26as a new clinician that I was like,
  • 18:28oh, this is so different.
  • 18:30And this is like really what I want to do.
  • 18:34For a long time. And.
  • 18:38I think even as I've moved,
  • 18:41because I've now been here 8-8 years and
  • 18:43in home world is like 30 years like.
  • 18:48It
  • 18:48feels like a long time and then if
  • 18:50it if it's 30 years, it's like 100,
  • 18:52it's so there's a Max behind it.
  • 18:55But I I think that as someone
  • 18:59say it's true, it feels like it.
  • 19:03I think I've. I've.
  • 19:06Had the experience of being like a clinician,
  • 19:09full-time moving and going,
  • 19:10and it's so exciting.
  • 19:12And then now I'm in this
  • 19:13role where I am supervising,
  • 19:15I've also had the opportunity to
  • 19:17participate in some of the research and
  • 19:19kind of contribute what I've learned
  • 19:21as a clinician to our icaps research.
  • 19:24And present a little bit about it
  • 19:25a couple of years ago with Soyon,
  • 19:27which was really awesome.
  • 19:30And it just has presented all
  • 19:32these really unique opportunities
  • 19:34to continue learning and growing.
  • 19:37And even right now as a supervisor,
  • 19:39I feel like I'm constantly
  • 19:40learning and I'm learning
  • 19:41from the folks that I supervise
  • 19:42who are in this room right now,
  • 19:44and I'm really happy they're here.
  • 19:48And it's just, it's,
  • 19:51I don't know, I I'll keep saying it's
  • 19:53special over and over again, which is
  • 19:55like very repetitive but it's just so.
  • 19:58Unique and has given me so much.
  • 20:02So much as a person,
  • 20:04even like outside of the work,
  • 20:06it's just changed who I am.
  • 20:07So important. Yeah. You want to jump to?
  • 20:13Should I jump to the last piece?
  • 20:15OK. Umm. I guess.
  • 20:19So the the last piece that we were
  • 20:21going to talk about is kind of like
  • 20:23the community within the ICAPS program
  • 20:24and then the community within the
  • 20:26larger Child Study Center and some of
  • 20:28the things that have made it really
  • 20:30great and some of the things that
  • 20:31have been more challenging I think.
  • 20:35Especially when we were
  • 20:36in separate buildings,
  • 20:37it could feel like there was like in home,
  • 20:40dynamic and like.
  • 20:43Outpatient dynamic and they felt
  • 20:44different and it has felt better as
  • 20:46we're like all collaborating more fully.
  • 20:51And I think that that's been.
  • 20:54That's been an interesting thing
  • 20:55to kind of figure out how to deal
  • 20:58in community with everybody here.
  • 21:00Umm. I've also. Joked.
  • 21:05But it's not really a joke,
  • 21:06because it's a fact that,
  • 21:08like Yale is a place that Yale is
  • 21:11a university just started letting
  • 21:14women into their College in the.
  • 21:1716. The 50s.
  • 21:21Too close to like when I was alive.
  • 21:25Like my parents were around.
  • 21:29What year is it, 69? 69. So 69 so yeah.
  • 21:38Yale can sometimes feel like a
  • 21:40place that just started doing open.
  • 21:42So we and because I was born 20 years after
  • 21:46it started letting women in. Umm, so I
  • 21:51I think that can sometimes carry through.
  • 21:54In the ways that people respond,
  • 21:57social work is is a predominantly like.
  • 22:01Female field, but I think that we're
  • 22:05also mostly masters level clinicians
  • 22:08here and that has been. Challenging.
  • 22:13I think sometimes the medical model
  • 22:15is challenging for that reason.
  • 22:16It can feel like we spend the most
  • 22:20time with clients and even. Um.
  • 22:26Come in with a breadth of experience, I feel,
  • 22:30even from like our graduate training,
  • 22:32but it's not always respected
  • 22:34in the same way that an MD.
  • 22:37Z opinion would be even though
  • 22:39we we see a lot and especially
  • 22:40as we like gain experience,
  • 22:42we have a we have a lot of
  • 22:45clinical acumen I think.
  • 22:46And so that has been challenging.
  • 22:48And I think even coming in is like,
  • 22:52I'm a first generation college student.
  • 22:54My parents didn't go to college.
  • 22:55Nobody knew what.
  • 22:57Half my family still doesn't
  • 22:59know what I do for a job.
  • 23:01And so learning the like social intricacies
  • 23:05of navigating has also been tricky.
  • 23:09And I think that I'm.
  • 23:12It's very special because I've
  • 23:13been able to find people to connect
  • 23:15with and talk to about that,
  • 23:16but sometimes it is still really challenging.
  • 23:19Yeah. I don't know.
  • 23:21I know we're probably done with our
  • 23:23time but no, no, no I'll just say
  • 23:26yeah you know and I've been here a
  • 23:28little less than than Bridget but
  • 23:30I appreciate this you know grand
  • 23:32rounds because I will say I've I've,
  • 23:34I've felt like as a masters level
  • 23:36that my opinion is is matters and my
  • 23:39clinical perspective and I feel like our
  • 23:42department has done a really good job.
  • 23:44You as my you know,
  • 23:45supervisor you know in valuing
  • 23:49and really making us feel heard.
  • 23:52And umm, like our clinical judgment,
  • 23:55you know, is matters and it helps
  • 23:56us develop it also.
  • 23:59So I appreciate it because otherwise I don't
  • 24:01know that I would be thinking this way.
  • 24:03And I think it does depend where it is.
  • 24:05You know, coming from another agency to the,
  • 24:08the, the to Yale, Umm,
  • 24:11it's just a, it's a big difference.
  • 24:12I feel like, you know, I can,
  • 24:14I feel like I'm making an impact.
  • 24:15I feel like I'm learning constantly
  • 24:17and it's great. So yeah.
  • 24:21Yeah. So that's our time. I'm going to pass
  • 24:24to Tara, and Amy's going to come up.
  • 24:26Well, thank you both for sharing
  • 24:29your story and your experiences.
  • 24:32We're glad that Icaps chose you,
  • 24:34and we're also glad you found your way back,
  • 24:36so thank you for your.
  • 24:38Dedication and time.
  • 24:39Yeah, I've got to share this screen.
  • 24:42So we're going to hear next actually from
  • 24:44Amy Meyers who's going to talk about.
  • 24:47If I can figure actually is Kyle.
  • 24:48Still, I don't know how to
  • 24:50get this back to Sharon.
  • 24:52Need to share the screen again?
  • 25:00While there. You wanna what do
  • 25:03you want to be able to share? The
  • 25:08people who are talking.
  • 25:12I mean, I'm super impressed. I've got
  • 25:14like 2 1/2 pages almost repeating.
  • 25:213.
  • 25:24Slide I think I'm not quite as skilled.
  • 25:28I would love. I mean. Showing it's
  • 25:33showing the notes. Ohh. Is it?
  • 25:38Oh, that's not showing anything here?
  • 25:43Technical challenges.
  • 25:45Know if you're not here.
  • 25:47A little fear.
  • 25:50Display setting.
  • 25:53I lost the match.
  • 25:58Or something else?
  • 26:04No. OK, here's here. Oh, funny.
  • 26:15Thank you, I think.
  • 26:16No, you got rid of it.
  • 26:23Just, just no spare words. Just like it's on.
  • 26:26We'll try, we'll try.
  • 26:29I think we got it.
  • 26:29Don't don't touch anything.
  • 26:32Thank you. How does this advance? Let's say.
  • 26:38No. Thanks.
  • 26:44Travel.
  • 26:47Mouse. I tried the arrow. Why is it?
  • 26:50I just want to know how to advance and.
  • 27:01Oh. New options for us. Knowing.
  • 27:10Thank you. I won't touch anything else.
  • 27:15Thanks for your help if that works.
  • 27:21Oh yeah, OK.
  • 27:24And and now I think we're
  • 27:25good. OK. Thank you.
  • 27:28Technical assistance. Thank you.
  • 27:31So my name is Amy Myers
  • 27:32and I am a social worker.
  • 27:34And as Tara mentioned earlier,
  • 27:36I was supposed to be presenting
  • 27:38with Karen Hansen today,
  • 27:39who's unable to be with us.
  • 27:41Umm, so umm, as many people know,
  • 27:46but I'll repeat,
  • 27:47master level people at the Child Study
  • 27:50Center include those who do client
  • 27:54or patient facing clinical work.
  • 27:56Often referred to as master level clinicians.
  • 28:01In addition to those who do other things,
  • 28:04I'm here representing a group of
  • 28:06master level faculty and staff who
  • 28:08do some of those other things.
  • 28:10And who represent the professions
  • 28:12of social work and more,
  • 28:15which I'll talk a little bit
  • 28:16more about later.
  • 28:17So I'm speaking today on behalf
  • 28:19of the family based recovery model
  • 28:22development and Operations Group or
  • 28:26FB RMDO.
  • 28:29We are a group who began and have
  • 28:32been staffed mainly by masters
  • 28:35level people for the last 16 years.
  • 28:41So the state of Connecticut
  • 28:43recognized a problem.
  • 28:45That problem was that approximately
  • 28:4850% of children entering out of
  • 28:51home placements in Connecticut
  • 28:53have a parent who has an
  • 28:56identified substance use concern.
  • 28:57For children under the age of 1,
  • 29:00that percent increases to almost 60%.
  • 29:03In these situations,
  • 29:04parents who need treatment for
  • 29:07substance use disorder can be
  • 29:09faced with challenges relating
  • 29:11to stigma and discrimination.
  • 29:13Fear of further systems,
  • 29:15involvement,
  • 29:16lack of transportation to
  • 29:18treatment and lack of childcare
  • 29:20while they attend treatment.
  • 29:27In 2006, the Connecticut Department of
  • 29:30Children and Families approached a master
  • 29:34level researcher at Johns Hopkins University,
  • 29:37as well as master level faculty
  • 29:39at the Child Study Center,
  • 29:40which included Gene Adipose
  • 29:42Master and public Health,
  • 29:44and Karen Hanson, a social worker,
  • 29:47to develop a model to prevent these
  • 29:49out of home placements for infants
  • 29:52and young children due to parental
  • 29:55substance use and to support.
  • 29:57Insurance and creating a stable home.
  • 30:00Thus family based recovery or FBR
  • 30:03was born in 2007 and we started
  • 30:07with six clinical treatment teams.
  • 30:09There are now 13 clinical treatment
  • 30:12teams across the state of Connecticut,
  • 30:14including one here at the CHILD Study Center.
  • 30:17No matter what town a family lives
  • 30:19in in the state of Connecticut,
  • 30:21they can have access to an FBR team.
  • 30:25So a little bit about the FDR model.
  • 30:31FBR brings into the home
  • 30:34substance use treatment,
  • 30:35individual therapy for the parent,
  • 30:38attachment based parent child,
  • 30:40dyadic therapy and support accessing
  • 30:43community services via a treatment
  • 30:46team of three people that is 2
  • 30:49master level clinicians and a
  • 30:51bachelor level support specialist.
  • 30:54The model requires careful and
  • 30:56continued risk assessment,
  • 30:57assessment by the treatment team and
  • 31:01very close collaboration with DCF.
  • 31:04FBR aims to support parents to
  • 31:06recover from the underlying reasons
  • 31:08for substance use and believes
  • 31:11that intervening with parents while
  • 31:12their children are very young.
  • 31:14Underscores what we know about
  • 31:16attachment as a basic basis for
  • 31:19development across all domains.
  • 31:26FBR aims to give parents
  • 31:28the chance to change.
  • 31:30No matter how many treatment
  • 31:32programs they've been in previously,
  • 31:34no matter how long their DCF
  • 31:37involvement, we believe that
  • 31:38there's always hope for change.
  • 31:44We also work very hard to approach
  • 31:46treatment from a stance of humility,
  • 31:48recognizing that parents know themselves,
  • 31:51their needs and their children best.
  • 32:01Additionally, paying careful attention
  • 32:03to engagement as an ongoing process
  • 32:07rather than a phase of treatment,
  • 32:09leaving a focus on engagement
  • 32:10helps to build safe,
  • 32:11respectful relationships that we
  • 32:13hope will be paralleled between
  • 32:16parents and their children.
  • 32:18So it's just a very little bit about
  • 32:20our model in which parents can
  • 32:21stay in treatment for up to a year,
  • 32:23which is pretty extravagant I think
  • 32:26in this world of treatment scarcity.
  • 32:33So our team of model
  • 32:36development and operations.
  • 32:39Which is different from the
  • 32:40clinical treatment team,
  • 32:41consists of seven individuals,
  • 32:43six of us working at the Masters
  • 32:46level and one with a PhD.
  • 32:48As a group, our educational
  • 32:51fields include social work,
  • 32:52professional counseling, health psychology,
  • 32:56art therapy and sociology.
  • 32:59As a group, we manage the statewide
  • 33:02network of all FBR treatment teams,
  • 33:05which includes training all FBR staff
  • 33:07across the state of Connecticut,
  • 33:09weekly clinical constant
  • 33:12consultation with each team.
  • 33:15Data management, model fidelity and
  • 33:18assurance and model enhancement.
  • 33:21Our team also manages the training
  • 33:24and onboarding of adaptation sites.
  • 33:27The FPR model is currently being
  • 33:29adapted in Allegheny County,
  • 33:31Pennsylvania, Ocean County, NJ,
  • 33:34Vancouver, BC, and Hennepin County,
  • 33:39Minnesota.
  • 33:40Our team also provides great training
  • 33:42to the greater community and working
  • 33:44with parents with substance use disorders,
  • 33:46engagement through relationship
  • 33:48based practices and reflective
  • 33:51diadic approaches for family support
  • 33:54and within the Child Study Center.
  • 33:56In addition to working in FBR,
  • 33:57MDL members of our team also
  • 34:00provide clinical supervision to
  • 34:02people in other programs,
  • 34:04participation in the social
  • 34:07work fellowship and.
  • 34:10And in terms of teaching topics in the
  • 34:14social work fellowship and participating
  • 34:16in overall activities of the fellowship.
  • 34:20So pictured on the slide.
  • 34:22It's Karen Hanson,
  • 34:24who is the director of FBRM DOB,
  • 34:26then Heather Simon, research assistant,
  • 34:29Jeanette Radovich, consultant.
  • 34:32Myself consultant,
  • 34:34Michelle Saint Pierre,
  • 34:35consultant and Soyon Kim,
  • 34:37associate research scientist
  • 34:39and Heather bonnets,
  • 34:40more consultant.
  • 34:41And just to call out for a moment,
  • 34:44this is one of our.
  • 34:48Zoom practices that we began during the
  • 34:50pandemic when our staff meetings went online,
  • 34:52that we would take a screenshot
  • 34:53each week at the end of our meeting.
  • 34:56And I think it's been a really
  • 34:58interesting process to see our
  • 35:00pictures over time and to see
  • 35:03our expressions change over time
  • 35:06and who was wearing a mask.
  • 35:07And sometimes we had show and tell,
  • 35:09and so this has been our practice
  • 35:11for just about the last three years.
  • 35:18In 2016, Connecticut's first ever
  • 35:22social impact bond project was launched,
  • 35:25which leveraged $11.2 million in
  • 35:28philanthropic funds to allow a randomized
  • 35:31control trial of the FBR model.
  • 35:34This was a partnership between DCF
  • 35:37social Finance and UConn health in
  • 35:40addition to the Child Study Center.
  • 35:42The project followed FBR families
  • 35:44for 18 months post enrollment and
  • 35:46looked at out of home placement
  • 35:48and Ray referrals to DCF.
  • 35:53FBR families had 21% fewer removals
  • 35:57compared to those in treatment as
  • 36:00usual and 10% with a re referral to
  • 36:03DCF showing the promise of the model.
  • 36:06Program to date. FBR has treated
  • 36:122832 families, which includes
  • 36:15476 fathers and 2636 mothers.
  • 36:2082% of children remain living with
  • 36:24a biological parent at discharge.
  • 36:2747% of parents screened positive
  • 36:30for substances at intake,
  • 36:31which decreases to 13% after
  • 36:34five months of treatment.
  • 36:37Our data show a statistically
  • 36:39significant decrease in pre
  • 36:41post measures on depression and
  • 36:43parental stress as measured by the
  • 36:45parental stress index short form.
  • 36:48FRM DoD aims to combine our data
  • 36:50with what we have learned from
  • 36:52working with families to integrate
  • 36:54evidence based practice and
  • 36:56practice based evidence approaches
  • 36:58to continue informing the model.
  • 37:02There are challenges.
  • 37:08There are challenges and
  • 37:09strengths to doing this work as
  • 37:11masters level faculty and staff.
  • 37:14On the challenge side,
  • 37:16our team straddles clinical
  • 37:17and work and research,
  • 37:19and sometimes it's not
  • 37:20quite sure where we fit.
  • 37:25And we also learned in our process that
  • 37:27we needed to get without PhD or MD.
  • 37:30We needed to get permission to be API's on
  • 37:33the work that we were already executing.
  • 37:36In addition to Dean's approval to submit
  • 37:39an application for an IRB to the IRB.
  • 37:44On the strength side,
  • 37:46we've been afforded opportunities to break
  • 37:48barriers as master level faculty and staff,
  • 37:50spreading our wings by presenting
  • 37:52at conferences, working on model
  • 37:54development and adapting and doing
  • 37:57what we all truly believe in.
  • 37:59And so I'll leave you with
  • 38:01just a few words from, from,
  • 38:02from some families from FBR over the years.
  • 38:22Thanks so much.
  • 38:31No. Thank you for sharing that work and
  • 38:36hearing the numbers was really something.
  • 38:39So I'm so glad that you shared that
  • 38:41data and that this extravagant approach
  • 38:43of having more than, what is it,
  • 38:4628 days of treatment is available to the
  • 38:49families in Connecticut and beyond it seems.
  • 38:52So thank you for that.
  • 38:53And so we will not have any more
  • 38:55technical problems, I hope,
  • 38:56because we have no other presentations
  • 38:58in terms of slides, but we do have now.
  • 39:03Is it? Now let's turn our attention
  • 39:07please to Darrell Snow and Heather Howell.
  • 39:09We'll talk about the.
  • 39:11Parent development program and their
  • 39:13work there. Hello. For having us.
  • 39:19I don't know is it working great.
  • 39:25So my name is Heather Howell and I am the
  • 39:27intake coordinator and a clinician in
  • 39:29the parent family development program.
  • 39:31Tara asked me to talk a little bit
  • 39:32about my Masters level training,
  • 39:34all of which has been at Yale.
  • 39:36In the School of Medicine,
  • 39:37Department of Psychiatry.
  • 39:40Actually, in some early internship
  • 39:41training down at the APT Foundation,
  • 39:44but especially that it was
  • 39:45kind of all the same thing.
  • 39:47I don't know if it is anymore, really.
  • 39:49All of my work at Yale until about
  • 39:51five years ago was all in research.
  • 39:53So I love your data.
  • 39:54I love your P value.
  • 39:56Nicely done.
  • 39:58At facilitated research protocols
  • 40:00ran clinical trials.
  • 40:02All improving,
  • 40:03working to improve mental health for parents.
  • 40:06So a lot of perinatal psych work,
  • 40:07a lot of work based about based
  • 40:09out of primary care settings
  • 40:11and then in community settings.
  • 40:15And I know we don't usually think
  • 40:16of social workers as researchers,
  • 40:17but we're here doing that
  • 40:19work and it's something
  • 40:20that I've been very proud of.
  • 40:22I facilitated a lot of medication
  • 40:24trials, therapy trials.
  • 40:27And one of the things I was really proud
  • 40:30of and probably why Child Study Center
  • 40:32keeps me around is that I could really,
  • 40:34I learned to really carefully
  • 40:36and accurately diagnose.
  • 40:37I think that that is something, you know,
  • 40:40all of social work training is pro social
  • 40:43and you don't put a label on something
  • 40:44if it's not precise and accurate.
  • 40:46I believe on the other hand,
  • 40:47if there is a label that is useful and
  • 40:50informative to somebody's healthcare,
  • 40:51let's talk about it and understand it
  • 40:53so that we can know how to treat it.
  • 40:55So that is my approach. Umm.
  • 40:58I'm really fully committed
  • 40:59to adult mental health.
  • 41:00Again, I feel glad that child Study Center
  • 41:04keeps me around because but I think it
  • 41:06connects so adult recovery and Wellness,
  • 41:08it definitely benefits children and I'm
  • 41:11also just certain that adults deserve it.
  • 41:14So for all those reasons,
  • 41:15that's my commitment,
  • 41:16the parent family development
  • 41:19program was created.
  • 41:20Five years ago, does that sound
  • 41:22right when we got an adult license,
  • 41:23which was a lot of work.
  • 41:25So thank you, Linda.
  • 41:26Mays, I assume you're out there somewhere,
  • 41:29but it was really courageous work
  • 41:31for the Child Study Center to expand
  • 41:33how we think about what we do here.
  • 41:35Our clinic offers exceptional
  • 41:37mental healthcare.
  • 41:38Exceptional.
  • 41:39Our whole team is right here,
  • 41:41an exceptional team.
  • 41:42We see adults who are struggling
  • 41:44to recover from trauma, depression,
  • 41:47anxiety, addiction.
  • 41:50And that is a lot of work.
  • 41:50We see adults with complex mental illness
  • 41:53providing short and long term treatment.
  • 41:56Really speaking to parents own
  • 41:58health and recovery and by extension
  • 42:01all the data tells us that that
  • 42:04strengthens their kids as well.
  • 42:05Makes them better parents.
  • 42:07Really.
  • 42:08When parents are healthy and well,
  • 42:09kids benefit,
  • 42:10so everybody wins.
  • 42:12We experience a ton of collaboration
  • 42:15with other clinics across youth land,
  • 42:19all of the elements of that
  • 42:21it's really very remarkable.
  • 42:22And so I'm going to introduce you to
  • 42:24my colleague and our intern this year,
  • 42:26Darrell Snow.
  • 42:32Good afternoon, everybody.
  • 42:33My name is Darrell Snow and I am a
  • 42:36social work clinical intern from Southern
  • 42:39Connecticut State University working
  • 42:41in the adult outpatient clinic with
  • 42:44Heather and our Prestige colleagues here.
  • 42:47I was born and raised here
  • 42:50in heaven in Connecticut,
  • 42:52in the Hill neighborhood section of town.
  • 42:55I'm matriculated through the New Haven
  • 42:58Public School system and graduated
  • 43:00from Hill House High School in 2010.
  • 43:03And my. Introduction to social
  • 43:06work really was pretty early on.
  • 43:09I remember my 4th grade teacher kind
  • 43:11of surveying the class and asking us
  • 43:13kind of what did we envision ourselves being.
  • 43:17And I didn't have the words for it,
  • 43:19but I just knew that I wanted to work
  • 43:21with people with their feelings and
  • 43:23and and I remember saying that I just
  • 43:26don't want to see people mad anymore, right?
  • 43:28So I grew up in a really hard neighborhood
  • 43:31in New Haven and was exposed to a lot.
  • 43:33And so I felt like.
  • 43:36My my passion came on pretty early.
  • 43:39I remember going to the library
  • 43:40and researching what it meant
  • 43:42to be a social worker.
  • 43:43Once she said that,
  • 43:44that was a possibility for me.
  • 43:47And another reason of my why for
  • 43:50social work is that I've been
  • 43:52very aware since I could remember,
  • 43:54just about the systemic barriers that
  • 43:56people are presented with and how
  • 43:58that impacts their mental health.
  • 44:00When I applied to the CHILD Study
  • 44:02Center as an intern last year,
  • 44:05I was given the option to work either in
  • 44:07the youth clinic or in the adult clinic.
  • 44:09And I had been working with Youth
  • 44:11and home for the last decade or so,
  • 44:14and I wanted to kind of shift
  • 44:15gears a bit and understanding that,
  • 44:18as Heather stated, and which is very true,
  • 44:20was that adult mental health severely
  • 44:23impacts children's mental health.
  • 44:25And so they're all equally important
  • 44:28and they work together.
  • 44:30Another part of my Why is just the lack
  • 44:33of representation in the field for me.
  • 44:36I went into the field knowing
  • 44:40that there was a void and so,
  • 44:42and I understand that although there's been
  • 44:46increases of men in the field of color.
  • 44:49That growth has not been seen for
  • 44:52black men specifically and so,
  • 44:54and my search for therapy some
  • 44:56years ago for myself,
  • 44:58that was something that I considered.
  • 45:00I wanted to have a black note therapist
  • 45:02for my own preferences and so so
  • 45:05understanding that the importance
  • 45:07of representation is another factor
  • 45:10that waited for me to to join the
  • 45:13field as a clinician. Umm.
  • 45:16And it's also important for me to to.
  • 45:19Respond culturally to all the people
  • 45:21that we serve here at the clinic,
  • 45:24but also that stretches beyond
  • 45:26the walls here.
  • 45:28The training that I've received has been
  • 45:31tremendous and I'm just so grateful to
  • 45:34have grown so much clinically under the
  • 45:37supervision of Diane Dodge and all of
  • 45:40the parent team here. I appreciate it.
  • 45:43Receive ongoing support for cases,
  • 45:45feedback, one to one supervision
  • 45:48weekly and group supervision,
  • 45:50as well as a seminar that we have
  • 45:54for all interns across disciplines.
  • 45:56I've gathered a lot of learning
  • 45:59opportunities over the last year,
  • 46:01so I've assisted Heather with some intakes
  • 46:05and also have conducted psychological
  • 46:07evaluations for some of our adult folks.
  • 46:13I find really great passion in the
  • 46:14work that I do here at the clinic,
  • 46:16but I particularly enjoy the work that
  • 46:18I do within our father's program,
  • 46:20founded by Carla Stover.
  • 46:23For many of the men that I work with,
  • 46:26the space that we've created is often
  • 46:28the first time that they are able
  • 46:31to express their feelings in a very
  • 46:33neutral and judgment free space.
  • 46:36They develop an openness to explore
  • 46:38generational patterns of behaviors
  • 46:40and trauma and how that influences
  • 46:42some of their choices and then
  • 46:44in their relationships.
  • 46:46Most of all,
  • 46:47they appreciate discovering new skills
  • 46:49that they can learn and apply in and
  • 46:51outside of the therapeutic space.
  • 46:53And they've also have been able
  • 46:55to access more Community resources
  • 46:57just through my be me being well
  • 47:00versed in the community.
  • 47:02I've grown up here in New Haven.
  • 47:03I know a lot that the city has to offer.
  • 47:06Just want to just say that I really
  • 47:08appreciate the time that I've been
  • 47:10able to learn and grow here and.
  • 47:12Thank you for for listening.
  • 47:25I'm just looking at the time and well,
  • 47:29there's like 10 minutes.
  • 47:31And so I guess one question first
  • 47:33of all is a big thank you to
  • 47:36everyone for sharing for being here.
  • 47:42For choosing to be here,
  • 47:44for sharing your gifts,
  • 47:46for facing the obstacles,
  • 47:48for being part of what brings the
  • 47:50gifts and talents here as well.
  • 47:51And it's really tremendous and it's we're,
  • 47:54we're our community is so lucky
  • 47:57to have all of this available
  • 47:59to us and so thank you.
  • 48:01And I guess also with that I don't
  • 48:03know if there's questions. Yeah.
  • 48:11Thank you so
  • 48:11much for such an inspiring
  • 48:14set of presentations.
  • 48:15I feel like wow, underachieving,
  • 48:19I need to get going with y'all and
  • 48:21I wanted to comment on
  • 48:24the incredible power of the icaps programs.
  • 48:28So over the over the last decade ICAPS
  • 48:31has partnered with the psychology
  • 48:33training program and providing an
  • 48:36invaluable experience for our doctoral
  • 48:39level psychologists who come here.
  • 48:41And they come here and we tell
  • 48:42them about the icaps opportunity.
  • 48:45They say Humana, Humana,
  • 48:46I'm going to someone's home in the community
  • 48:49and is there a treatment manual and how
  • 48:51many are there because they're used to
  • 48:54office based manualized treatments.
  • 48:56And I'm especially grateful to you, Bridget.
  • 48:59For adopting our psychology fellows
  • 49:01for the last couple of years,
  • 49:03where you have modeled and taught and
  • 49:06supervised in a highly compassionate
  • 49:08manner how to be present with families
  • 49:11in the stage of growth that they're in.
  • 49:14And so I'm deeply appreciative of the
  • 49:16teaching and supervision that you've been
  • 49:19providing for our psychology fellows.
  • 49:21And then I have a question for that.
  • 49:23I'm wondering if you might reflect on
  • 49:26what is it like to supervise
  • 49:28across disciplines.
  • 49:30What are the joys? Are there some thorns,
  • 49:33kind of the roses and thorns in a
  • 49:35setting such as this
  • 49:37that hasn't often recognized the talents
  • 49:40of all of our training partners?
  • 49:44So I thought I wondered if
  • 49:45you had a reflection on that.
  • 49:50Which one? OK.
  • 49:56I know I'm quiet. I thank you
  • 49:59so much for saying that and I think a
  • 50:01lot of the credit for the experience
  • 50:03folks have had is also to I know
  • 50:05Doctor Wilson has done a lot of
  • 50:06supervision as well as generally who
  • 50:08is part of gingerly has partnered
  • 50:10with the psych fellows for many years.
  • 50:12This is actually my first year,
  • 50:14so I can share about my experience this year,
  • 50:16which I really enjoyed working with
  • 50:19Kara this year. It was excellent.
  • 50:21I think one of the surprises for
  • 50:23me was in working with somebody who
  • 50:26was in training but who had done.
  • 50:28Therapy before.
  • 50:29So it was, it felt more like kind
  • 50:32of helping her and helping.
  • 50:34To understand the difference in in
  • 50:36homework and also being able to see
  • 50:38what you can kind of learn from the
  • 50:40in home experience which is the like
  • 50:43sitting and being present with a family.
  • 50:45And I think one of one of the things
  • 50:49that I noticed and that we did talk
  • 50:51about was like especially because the
  • 50:53cases we get from that we work with our
  • 50:55psych fellows with our medical icaps cases.
  • 50:58So there's also often a medical component
  • 51:00that contributes to their mental health and.
  • 51:05I think seeing that often the family actually
  • 51:07knew what it was that they needed to do.
  • 51:11They understood the clients medical needs.
  • 51:13It was more of sitting and being like
  • 51:16what what gets in the way or like what,
  • 51:19what is happening with mental
  • 51:20health or how does trauma impact
  • 51:22the way that they respond to this.
  • 51:24And I think having those conversations
  • 51:27was really eye opening for me
  • 51:29in terms of like
  • 51:30oh, you kind of. I'm a newer,
  • 51:32I'm newer to supervising,
  • 51:34and I'm I'm newer to kind of.
  • 51:37Roles where I'm a direct teacher.
  • 51:38I've kind of mentored fellows before,
  • 51:40but I think that was one of
  • 51:41the things where I was like,
  • 51:42oh, I really have something to
  • 51:43share and it was very nice.
  • 51:47And I think it was also progressing in like.
  • 51:53Seeing the differences and also
  • 51:55the similarities in the fields
  • 51:57and kind of that we were all
  • 51:59thinking about kind of like.
  • 52:01Culturally, humble practice,
  • 52:03social justice orientations and
  • 52:05and how we're thinking about the
  • 52:08families and their communities but.
  • 52:10Actually having the opportunity
  • 52:11to kind of guide someone through
  • 52:13seeing that in person for the first
  • 52:14time was really exciting, yeah.
  • 52:16Thank you for your question.
  • 52:19Is it OK if I jump in just briefly?
  • 52:23Sorry for being the voice of God
  • 52:24off screen here. I apologize.
  • 52:25I just wanted to add that that Jinju
  • 52:28also has has remained in touch with
  • 52:32their ex psychology trainees and I
  • 52:34think the model is really powerful
  • 52:36experience for both the clinicians
  • 52:38working together in such challenging
  • 52:40yet yet rewarding circumstances.
  • 52:43Just just to comment there,
  • 52:46just always impressed to see that
  • 52:48connections that form that way and then.
  • 52:51And then the other pieces I think,
  • 52:54yes, like Lori said,
  • 52:55psychology comes in well trained,
  • 52:57manualized experience,
  • 52:58evidence based and you,
  • 53:00you do have to counterintuitively put
  • 53:03that all aside as you as you enter
  • 53:05enter the home I think to start with.
  • 53:09Thank you for offering the MD.
  • 53:13John Ponce and I work a
  • 53:14medical director for Icaps.
  • 53:16And yes, I don't do any of the work.
  • 53:17It's really the social work clinicians
  • 53:19that are in the frontline here.
  • 53:20So full credit is due in a perfect
  • 53:23metaphor for your presentation today.
  • 53:29Were there other questions that folks had?
  • 53:35Yes, doctor Martin.
  • 53:42So can you hear me? Can you hear me?
  • 53:43So First off, thank you to all 5-6 of
  • 53:46you and Tara for putting this together.
  • 53:48This was really wonderful and you know it,
  • 53:51it was painful as you as you relate the
  • 53:54pain of the IRB example was one of the,
  • 53:56you know, that didn't make sense,
  • 53:57right, that you needed all
  • 53:59these special permissions,
  • 54:00kind of a reminder of a different status.
  • 54:03And it it just made me think that there
  • 54:06are social workers throughout the hospital,
  • 54:09throughout the hospital,
  • 54:10but I don't know if any other
  • 54:12department that has shown a light
  • 54:13shined a light shining a light.
  • 54:17And and social work and and I think
  • 54:19I I don't think it's a coincidence
  • 54:21that it's a child study Center
  • 54:22for a number of reasons.
  • 54:23One is that we work with social
  • 54:25workers very closely for years and
  • 54:26I'm I'm sorry that my my friends
  • 54:28from the inpatient unit our social
  • 54:30work colleagues are not here but you
  • 54:32and other masters level folks.
  • 54:36Nursing for example.
  • 54:37I mean we so we have many of these
  • 54:39experiences but but but there's
  • 54:40something about social work that
  • 54:42I think is particularly relevant
  • 54:43which is a mental health component.
  • 54:46And and I guess it my hope would be
  • 54:48that having the child Study Center
  • 54:49being an example and this being an
  • 54:51example of something that could
  • 54:52happen in the broader Medical Center.
  • 54:54You know that we're not going to
  • 54:55see this necessarily nephrology
  • 54:56because they think of kidneys not
  • 54:58of mental health but we think of
  • 55:00mental health and and social order
  • 55:01thinks of mental health throughout.
  • 55:02So I just hope that this continues
  • 55:04but thank you for all the work it was.
  • 55:06And those numbers were very impressive in me.
  • 55:08So thank you for sharing that.
  • 55:09Yeah,
  • 55:10thank you. I will. Yeah. You'll be
  • 55:14our last question looking at the time.
  • 55:17Thank you. So I'm Lilia Benoit.
  • 55:20I'm child and adolescent
  • 55:21psychiatrist from France originally.
  • 55:23And I have worked here at the CHILD
  • 55:25Study Center for two years as an
  • 55:27associate research scientist.
  • 55:29And so as a foreigner,
  • 55:31I'm not yet allowed
  • 55:33to to be a medical
  • 55:34doctor here, but
  • 55:35I'm, I'm starting my residence and very,
  • 55:36very happy about it.
  • 55:38But for the past two years,
  • 55:40I've been allowed to tutor the
  • 55:42Yale medical students at 21 and
  • 55:45and there is always this question.
  • 55:48In this discussion we have in the
  • 55:51inpatient unit because in the end they
  • 55:54they realize that the kids who are
  • 55:57there are there because of society,
  • 55:59because of adversity,
  • 56:01because of of injustice,
  • 56:05because their parents don't
  • 56:06don't receive the help they they
  • 56:09should they deserve to have,
  • 56:11because attachments,
  • 56:12bonds are very insecure and most of the
  • 56:14time we end up having this conversation.
  • 56:16Whenever I say yes,
  • 56:17the inpatient unit helps a little bit.
  • 56:19This medication but what would be
  • 56:22really useful would be to have one
  • 56:25person spending one year with the family
  • 56:28to model what is secure attachment
  • 56:31and and welcome secure bonds and
  • 56:33and create that with the family.
  • 56:35And I didn't have any example until
  • 56:37today to to tell them yes this this
  • 56:40exists but I think from now on I'm
  • 56:42going to say yes this is icaps and and
  • 56:45at least we have some social worker
  • 56:47helping us with this very important.
  • 56:50Work,
  • 56:50so thank you so much for sharing.
  • 56:53Right. And that was also a focus of
  • 56:56the work too with actually all of
  • 56:58the programs that spoke today that
  • 57:00focus on attachment and and taking
  • 57:03care of the the entire system.
  • 57:05So thank you again.
  • 57:08Thanks everyone for joining us today.
  • 57:12For a wonderful panel.
  • 57:17And remember, there's not
  • 57:18a grand rounds next week.
  • 57:20And our faculty meeting,
  • 57:22we're hoping to have a panel
  • 57:24discussion about what it's like
  • 57:25to be a woman in the Academy.
  • 57:27So hope you'll see you there,
  • 57:29and if anybody's interested
  • 57:30in contributing to that,
  • 57:31let me know. Thank you.